Quale Sinto tra Pioneer vsx 1020 k e vsx 920 k

[ziggie1981]

Salve a tutti cerco un consiglio da voi esperti quale sinto scegliere tra i due in oggetto? Premetto che sono alle prime armi ma mi sembra di aver capito dal sito del produttore che l'unica differenza tra i due sono i due ingressi in piu' a favore del primo. Quindi mi chiedevo visto che la differenza tra i due è di quasi 200 euro quale conviene scegliere?

Grazie

[guest_005317]

Per adesso non saprei consigliarti,anche perchè mi sembra che non siano ancora ufficilamente entrati in commercio,credo che per i primi di luglio arrivino nei negozi.....ciaoooooo

[ziggie1981]

Guarda su internet in alcuni negozi online li da gia' entrambi disponibili.

[michiamoneo]

Se il prezzo non è esagerato vedo bene
questo
il 2020

Pioneer Hybrid Amplification (- Yes

Pioneer Hybrid Amplification (PHA) is a unique structure to reduce the distortion caused by the dynamic change of heat in the system.

Temperature is a key factor since heat directly affects the amount of bias required by an output transistor to reproduce sound.

Our thermal compensation transistor provides transistor temperature feedback to the bias circuit, ensuring that the correct amount of bias is applied to the transistors, regardless of temperature.

Moreover, to enhance dissipation of heat, the output transistors Thermal Compensation Circuit are all mounted to the same portion of the heat sink.

The advantage is thorough reduction of the distortion by controlling bias current quickly in accordance with the change of the power transistor temperature. Secondly, there is an ultra short signal path by integrating major parts of the power amplification stage.
Front L & R Bi-Amplifier Function (+)Yes
Bi-amping is when you connect the high and low frequency drivers of your speakers to different amplifiers (in this case, to both front and back surround terminals) for better crossover performance.

Your speakers must be bi-ampable to do this and the sound improvement will depend on the kind of speakers you're using.
D/A Converter 192 kHz / 24-bit

A/D Converter 192 kHz / 24-bit
Impedance at Output Level 6Ω
Number of Channels 7
Signal / Noise Ratio 103 dB
Input Connections • 6 x HDMI (1080p upscaling) (1 Front Input)
• 4 x Composite
• 2 x Component
• 2 x Coaxial
• 3 x Optical
• 1 x USB host
• 1 x iPod/iPhone Digital via USB (cable included)
• 1 x Ethernet
• 1 x Bluetooth adapter port for AS-BT100
Output Connections • 2 x HDMI
• 1 x Composite
• 1 x Component
• 1 x Optical Tuner Pre-set Stations 63
Internet Radio Yes
THX Certified (+) Yes
THX, the inspiration of George Lucas, was originally created for optimum performance in movie theatres.
THX Certified products guarantee superior performance and ensure accurate reproduction of the theatre experience in your home.
To be THX Certified requires adherence to rigorous guidelines for sound purity, power output and processing capabilities.
HD Digital Film Direct 24 (+) Yes
Put simply, HD Digital Film Direct means “Master Quality”: what you see and hear on your flat-screen is exactly as the film-makers intended. Absolutely true to the original.
We’ve applied this standard as a label (see the logo on the right) to those of our products that accurately handle 24fps (frames per second) movie content; this will help you make the right product choice for the true HD movie experience.
Films are typically shot, developed and encoded for cinema reproduction at 24fps.
Regular PAL broadcasting and DVD have always played these images back at 25 fps (50Hz).
This has the effect of speeding up images and raising the pitch of sounds and voices.
But, the new high definition discs, like Blu-ray Disc, offer you access to a digitised ”true to the original” copy of the theatrical movie content.
We offer a product range that is perfectly matched for bringing the real cinema experience into your home: amplifiers, Blu-ray Disc players, home cinema systems and flat-screen TVs with our trademark screening of 24fps source input at 72Hz (3 images displayed per original frame).
MCACC (+) Yes (Advanced, 9-band)
MCACC stands for Multi-Channel Acoustic Calibration System.
It's an automatic sound field adjustment system that enables you to precision-tune your system to your living room, just like a sound professional, but with minimum effort.
A microphone monitors the sound environment and an equaliser (either 5 or 9-band, depending on which model of amplifier you have) optimally adjusts the sound parameters.
The result sounds like a professional recording engineer has fine-tuned your amplifier or home cinema system.
MCACC was created as a joint effort between ourselves and professional sound engineers at AIR Studios; it's unique to Pioneer, so you won't find it on any other products.
See how MCACC works
HD Audio Formats Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio
Control with HDMI (+) Yes
Put simply, KURO LINK means that you are able to control basic functions of compatible Pioneer Audio/Visual devices* (such as your Blu-ray player, amplifier or DVD recorder), with your KURO flat-screen TV remote control.
One remote for your full entertainment system.
KURO LINK is made possible via the single HDMI cable connection between your flat-screen TV and your other entertainment devices.

* Other brands of TV and home entertainment components also work with the KURO LINK function (here’s a list)
Deep Colour (+)Yes

Deep Colour ensures that all colour transitions and gradients are reproduced with the highest level of precision.

It enables increased contrast ratio, eliminates on-screen colour banding (for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colours) and can represent many times more shades of gray between black and white.

So what you see is as natural and lifelike as possible.
x.v.Colour (+) Yes

x.v.Colour (also known as xvYCC or Extended-gamut YCC) is a colour space that supports 1.8 times as many colours as the legacy colour space.

The result is that – on a compatible screen - you see greens, reds and blues far deeper than previously possible.
HDMI Repeater (+) Yes

The HDMI Repeater feature makes a single HDMI cable sufficient to transfer both HD video and audio digitally to the receiver.
3D Ready Yes

On-Screen Display (GUI) Easy-to-use GUI, available in English, French, Italian, German, Spanish, Dutch and Russian

Remote Control Glow-key, preset remote control (learning)

Power Consumption (in use / standby) 410 W / 0.30 W

Weight 13,1 kg

Dimensions (W x H x D) 420 x 173 x 433 mm

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Audio Features
Auto Level Control (+)Yes (Multi-channel)

Auto Level Control compensates for volume fluctuations between songs or sources, ensuring that what you hear is played back at a constant volume.

Auto Surround Yes

Dialogue Enhancement (+)Yes

This feature localises the dialogue in the centre channel to make it stand out from other background sounds in a TV or movie soundtrack.
Digital Noise Reduction (+) Yes

Noise reduction technology keeps sound pristine as it comes from each source.

Digital filtering analyses signal output from each separate frequency band, then attenuates noise in each band to an optimal level. In this way, only signal band noise that detracts from overall sound is suppressed, without degrading any dynamic characteristics of the original sound.
Dynamic Range Control Yes

Front Stage Surround Advance (+) Yes

By simply placing your speakers directly beside your TV screen and activating the unique Front Stage Surround Advance feature, you can experience a virtual surround sound environment.

The benefit here is that you don’t have to worry about routing
speaker cables around your room; your speakers can be placed up front.
Jitter Reduction Yes

Loudness (+)Yes

The Loudness mode boosts the bass and treble in a signal. It is useful for listening to music at low volumes.
Midnight Listening Mode (+) Yes

If others are sleeping or studying, trying to enjoy a programme quietly shouldn't compromise such sound qualities as surround effects or dialogue clarity.

Midnight Listening Mode is the solution. It adjusts subwoofer, rear and centre speaker levels, while enhancing delay and compressing dynamic range, for greater enjoyment of cinema-like sound at low volume.
Multizone Function (+) Yes (3)

The Multi-zone function allows AV equipment to actually control either the same, or a separate source than the one being listened to in the main room, to another location.

For example, you can be watching a DVD movie with surround sound in the main room, while someone else can listen to a CD player in another, at the same time.
Phase Control (+) Yes

The Phase Control feature corrects the phase distortion as well as group delay for LFE (Low-Frequency Effects) audio signals during multi-channel playback.
PQLS (+) Yes (Multi-channel )

A precision quartz controller eliminates distortion caused by timing errors (jitter), giving you the best possible digital-to-analogue conversion from audio CD sources when you use the HDMI interface. This is valid as an HDMI function for PQLS-compatible players.

See how PQLS work
Sound Delay (+) Yes

Some monitors have a slight delay when showing video, so the soundtrack will be slightly out of sync with the picture. By adding a bit of delay, you can adjust the sound to match the presentation of the video.
Advanced Sound Retriever (+) Yes (Multi-channel)

The Advanced Sound Retriever function enhances compressed music formats, such as MP3, WMA or AAC and restores the music dynamics and harmonics to CD-sound quality.

The benefit is that you can enjoy your digital music without loss of audio quality; the system automatically enhances and restores rich sound.
Sound Retriever AIR (+) Yes

When audio is streamed using Bluetooth, sound quality is lost during transmission. Our Sound Retriever AIR brings back the original audio quality.

Standing Wave Control (+) Yes

"Standing Waves" are an unwanted phenomenon that occur in most rooms.

These acoustic waves create peaks in the low frequencies, resulting in a booming sound. Our Standing Wave Control neutralises this effect, by causing a flatter frequency response, while respecting the phase differences between each channel.

Since more filters are utilised in the lower bandwidths, up to 3 standing waves can be more precisely identified and reduced.

The result is a far better reproduction of lower frequencies.

Standing Wave Control is a feature of our MCACC system.
Stream Direct (+) Yes

Use the Stream Direct mode when you want to hear the truest possible reproduction of a source. All unnecessary signal processing is bypassed, and you’re left with a pure analogue or digital sound source.
Symmetric EQ (+) Yes

The Symmetric EQ (Equaliser) is a left and right symmetrical acoustic equaliser which delivers enhanced stereo accuracy.

The default Symmetry setting implements symmetric correction for each pair of speakers to flatten the frequency-amplitude characteristics.
Virtual Surround Back (+ Yes

The Virtual Surround Back feature enables you to experience 6.1 or 7.1 surround sound with a 5.1 speaker set-up.

Once activated, the left and right rear satellite speakers will create a phantom sound source behind you. It will sound as if there are actual speakers behind you.
X-Curve (+)Yes

queste le modalità dsp aggiutnive ai classici formati audio standard e hd

Thx cinema , Thx music mode , Thx game mode

Advanced Music: Dubplicates the acoustics of a large concert hall.
• Advanced Movie: Reproduces a mid-size movie theatre environment.
• Expanded Theater: Adds more depth to Dolby Surround sources, while allowing faithful reproduction of 5-channel speaker sound.
• Virtual surround back: Surround sound becomes even more impressive. You can now experience 6.1 surround sound with a 5.1 speaker set-up. Just switch to Virtual Sourround Back mode, and the left and right rear satellite speakers will create a phantom sound source behind you - it sounds as if there are actually speakers behind you.
• Virtual surround: (available on selected products) Creates a virtual surround effect using just the subwoofer and front speakers.
• Phones Surround: Phones Surround reproduces overall surround sound for headphone listening.
• Advanced game: Enhances video game sound.
• TV Surround: Produces surround sound from mono or stereo TV sources.
• Sports Gives the impression of being in the middle of a sports stadium.
• 5-Channel Stereo: (available on selected products) This gives powerful multi-speaker sound to a stereo source with equal power delivered to all the speakers. It is especially suited to music sources with deep bass and a strong rhythmic feel.
• 6-channel stereo: (available on selected products) 6 channel stereo sound reproduction.
• 7-channel stereo: (available on selected products) 7 channel stereo sound reproduction.
• Dialogue Enhancement: (available on selected products) Enhances centre channel reproduction during action sequences so that the dialogue stands out from other background sounds. This mode also positions dialogues and vocals, usually located in the centre channel, between the two front speakers even if the actual centre speaker is above or below the TV. This happens by applying EQ to the centre channel, taking out the middle frequencies with a band pass filter, and distributing them to the speakers on either side. When the front speakers are at the same level as the TV, the enhanced dialogue will appear to be coming from the TV.
• Auto surround: (available on selected products) The Auto surround mode is the simplest way to listen to any source as it was mastered: the output from the speakers mirrors the channels in the source material.

[ziggie1981]

bello peccato che non è alla mia portata. in italia ancora niente in germania costa 979 euro piu' spedizione

[markko8]

sarebbe interessante capire come suona rispetto al nuovo denon avr-1911... anche se sembrere una fascia intermedia tra il 1911 e il 2311... una volta tanto rispetto al modello di fascia inferiore (il 920) le migliorie non sono solo dal punto di vista video, ma anche audio...

[ziggie1981]

una volta tanto rispetto al modello di fascia inferiore (il 920) le migliorie non sono solo dal punto di vista video, ma anche audio...

scusami ma potresti spiegarmi meglio cosa volevi dire? forse che il 920 ti sembra meglio del 1020? grazie

[markko8]

no
dicevo che a questo giro la differenza di prezzo tra 1020 e 920 è forse giustificata dal fatto che vi sono prestazioni migliori dal lato audio,
mentre l'anno scorso la differenza tra 919 e 1019 era dovuta semplicemente alla presenza di un upscaler video sul 1019 (che sul 919 era assente o di qualità molto inferiore).
e siccome i sintoamplificatori devono suonare prima di tutto, sono contento della cosa... io comunque aspetto delle prove e decido se prendere questo o il denon 1911

[ziggie1981]

Guarda se vai sul sito pioneer italia e metti a confronto i due sinto vedrai che la differenza sta in 2 hdmi e in due coassiali in piu che ha il 1020 (mentre un composito in piu per il 920), per il resto sono identici anche per i watt ( 140w su 6 ohm ) a meno che il 1020 non eroga qualche watt in piu' reali.

[markko8]

hai ragione ho appena controllato
a questo punto potrei anche rimanere sul 920...
le uniche differenze sono il PQLS e 2 ingressi HDMI in più, ma credo che 4 siano già sufficienti... e del PQLS su 2 canali chissene, tanto non so manco cos'è ed è solo per lettori pioneer, mentre io ho l'Oppo...
a questo punto la scelta è da fare tra il pioneer e il denon avr-1911: ci sono ben 100 euro quasi di differenza...

[ziggie1981]

spero in un consiglio da parte di qualche esperto.
grazie

[borassi]

Non sono esperto ma ho lo stesso tuo problema e ho scaricato il manuale da qui (lo stesso manuale copre 3 modelli: VSX 920, 1020 e 1025):
http://www.pioneer.it/it/products/42/98/VSX-920-K/media.html
poi ho fatto la ricerca della parola 920 e 1020 per individuare le differenze e sembra che siamo solo le connessioni e il multizona (in effetti l'ho fatto in fretta, nei prossimi giorni lo farò con più calma).
Che altoparlanto intendi usare.
Io sarei per gli Energy Take Classic o i KEV 1005 qualcuno sa cosa suggerire, sono adatti al VSX 920?

[ziggie1981]

Ciao
Il mio sogno sono le B&W.

[alexvet]

qualcuno sa se il 920 ha il pass trought hdmi e come funziona??