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Utile per testare elettrolitici senza dissaldarli dal circuito.
TESTING ESR OF ELECTROLYTIC CAPACITORS
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I recently found an easy and cheap way to test ESR (Equivalent Series Resistance) of
electrolytic capacitors, in circuit, that might save some people a lot of time.
It requires only an oscillosope and a simple signal generator.
I had an oscilloscope that I was trying to repair (Intensity control had little effect. Horiz sweep was only halfway
across screen at higher freqs. One power supply rail was too low and others were too high.)
and I had already checked every electrolytic capacitor in several/many different ways (all in-circuit),
and even compared each of the readings to those from an identical unit:
Powered off: Looked at signature from component tester (single-curve tracer) across each cap,
and from each end of cap to ground, did resistance check with DMM, did capacitance check with DMM,
checked resistance from each end of cap to ground. Powered on: Put scope across each cap,
and scope from each end of cap to ground, used DMM and measured DC and AC voltages across each cap and from each end of cap to ground.
I did find some bad caps (and some other bad components) and replaced them. But the problems were still there!
I had been wanting to order an ESR meter, but hadn't done it yet, and needed to get this scope repaired immediately.
I went to Sam Goldwasser's excellent repair-FAQ site, at
http://www.repairfaq.org/ and found a GREAT method for testing ESR of capacitors
in-circuit that requires only a signal generator and an oscilloscope (and some cables), and had found and fixed the problem within about
ten minutes!! Here's what I did (This technique is basically directly from Sam's repair faq site):
I used a signal generator and an oscilloscope to set up what I now call an "ESR Scope":
At the output of the generator, I connected a BNC "tee" adapter. I ran one 50 Ohm BNC cable from the tee to a good (Tek 2465A) scope
(with a 50-ohm BNC terminator on the scope input). On the other side of the tee,
I connected another BNC cable that had alligator clips on its other end
(It might have been a 75 ohm cable; shouldn't matter too much?),
which I clipped onto the banana plugs of a set of cheap DMM-type probes.
(Terminator note: I used a Tektronix 50 Ohm "pass-through" terminator,
on the scope end of the BNC cable. But, you should also be able to use,
instead, another BNC "tee" on the scope input, with an "endcap" terminator on one side and the cable coming in on the other side of the tee.
A standard 10BaseT Ethernet 50 Ohm coax terminator (and 50 Ohm Ethernet BNC coax cables) should work fine.
And they're available at Radio Shack, and probably Staples, et al.)
I set up the signal generator to produce square waves at about 100 kHz, with about 100 mv peak-to-peak amplitude
as seen on the attached scope, and no DC offset (A simple 555 timer circuit would do the job, too!).
Then, I turned the scope's v/div to 5 mv/div, with time/div at 1 microsec, with AC coupling of the input.
Shorting the probes together gave me a display on the scope that was about one division high.
It was basically a square wave, with large narrow peaks at each leading edge. But I only looked at the horizontal part's p-p amplitude.
That's the whole setup! No resistors. No nothing. Just cables (and a terminator).
I did also try it with a decade resistor box in series with the probes,
just to see what it would look like. I could clearly see each one-ohm increase, on the scope display,
with the probes shorted together as well as with the probes across a good electrolytic capacitor.
When I applied the probes across a GOOD capacitor in-circuit, there was little, if any,
change in the scope display, compared to when the probes were shorted (since, depending on the frequency,
a capacitor should look more-or-less like a short circuit, to AC).
But, when I tried it across a BAD capacitor, usually the display would be almost-totally off the screen.
And, there were some caps that looked marginal, making the display go from about one div p-p up to about 3 to 5 divs
(which probably corresponded with somewhere between 5 ohms and 20 ohms of ESR, if I recall correctly.)
Anyway, within just a few minutes I had found one more bad electrolytic filter cap in the power supply,
two smaller bad electrolytics in the P.S., a bad one on the horizontal sweep switch's board,
four bad ones near the middle of the main board, and a couple more that I can't remember right now.
I made a note of each one. When I was all done checking, the first thing I did was replace the filter cap in the power supply,
and then power it on and check the power supply rails' voltages. BINGO!!!!! YESSS!!! They were all normal again!
Not only that, but the horizontal sweep problem and the Intensity control problem were both GONE!! Yippee!
That filter cap had checked out as perfectly OK, using every one of the other methods that I described above
(all were "in-circuit", though), and compared OK to the other identical scope's same cap,
in all of those cases. But with this "ESR Scope" method, it was totally obvious, immediately.
And the same cap on the other scope tested good, with this method
(So, the earlier comparisons WERE bad cap vs. good cap, but showed nothing!).
[I also noted that after the bad cap was removed, it tested bad in the same way that it had while it was in-circuit, with
a basically identical scope display. And all of the other ones that I replaced also tested bad, when OUT of the circuit,
even with the other methods.]
This " ESR Scope " method isn't a perfect panacea, of course: There were some cases where,
without an identical unit to compare to, the displays would have been difficult for me to interpet,
and possibly misleading. (However, it *always* worked with every *electrolytic* that I tried it on,
IIRC, from 10 uF 10v to at least 1000 uF 100v, with no need for an identical unit to compare to.)
But, then again, I haven't played around with it enough, yet, either.
I assume that adjusting the frequency for different capacitances might be helpful, especially if non-electrolytics were to be tested.
I also seem to remember that a DC offset in the signal is usually used, when testing ESR.
I'll try that, later. And maybe increasing the amplitude of the square wave would be useful, sometimes, too.
But, usually, I think I'll want it to be low-amplitude, probably less than +/- 0.4v, so the signal doesn't turn on any semiconductor
junctions.
Well, that's it! I hope that this can save some of you some time, sometime...
Tom Gootee
tomg@fullnet.com
http://www.fullnet.com/u/tomg (Good used Electronic Test Equipment)
Mauro
, è presente in maniera identica sui tre tubi ed è perfettamente visibile a tubi accesi, la dimensione è di circa un millimetro e mezzo, non è circolare (un po' allungato orizzontalmente) e non credo che abbia nulla a che fare con l'accensione dei tubi dopo il patatrack, se è come penso io, il tutto è avvenuto durante il corto sul condensatore, anche perchè i tubi accesi non sembrano avere nulla di difettoso se non il segnale di ingresso (sembra un TV che cerca il segnale di antenna) ed il puntino al centro.
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). Portare le lenti non è un problema, con consegna o in mattinata o dopo le 18.30/19 ... chiamami pure sul cellulare per farmi sapere come preferisci e ci mettiamo d'accordo.
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