:cool: credo che per fare l'affare basterà fare un acquisto con il buono di un oggetto tipo l'iphone che poi sicuramente sarà facile rivendere a 50€ in meno...con scontrino garanzia ecc...
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:cool: credo che per fare l'affare basterà fare un acquisto con il buono di un oggetto tipo l'iphone che poi sicuramente sarà facile rivendere a 50€ in meno...con scontrino garanzia ecc...
per gli amanti del super nero
http://www.dday.it/redazione/1471/Pa...settembre.html
Esatto, poi il mondo non è pieno di gente come noi che si fà tremila conti e và a setacciare le schede tecniche dei prodotti prima di fare un acquisto.
Se il MW vende così tanto avendo spesso prezzi ben superiori a molti negozi online un perchè c'è.
Oltre ad attirare gente grazie alla pubblicità vive sui tanti che acquistano subito il prodotto senza andare a confrontare i prezzi da vari venditori.
Chissà quante volte vedo gente che acquista solo su un famoso sito d'aste online perchè è convinta che sia il posto dove la roba si trova sempre a meno e invece non è necessario sbattersi a seguire aste, ma si risparmia pure di più con una veloce ricerca su trovaprezzi, google, ecc... nei normali negozi online.
Questi invece se ne vanno sulla baia, ed il prezzo minore che vi trovano, credono che sia il migliore del mondo.
Amanti dai portafogli molto pieni aggiungerei, già sono molti i 2600€ del VT20 spendere quasi il doppio non credo sia alla portata media degli acquirenti, questo budget lo vedo più orientato verso gli enthusiast.Citazione:
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Sarà.... ma a questa stregua potrei smettere di lavorare, e mettermi sulla baia a guadagnarmi soldi e basta....
Salve a tutti gli amanti dei plasma! Ad essere sincero non ho mai simpatizzato per questa tecnologia, però c'è da dire che fino a poco tempo fà i migliori tv erano proprio i plasma Kuro di casa Pioneer. Ho deciso adesso di prendere in considerazione anche i plasma, visto che si parla molto bene di modelli come il VT20 che hanno un eredetà Pio! :D Ma il V20 è già in commercio? Mi pare di aver capito che è un 2D; comunque io non sono molto interessato al 3D, ma alla qualità dell'immaggine in 2D. Pensate che la tecnologia ed il pannello adottato sul VT20, sia superiore anche in 2D rispetto al V20?
No in V20 non è ancora arrivato: http://www.dday.it/redazione/1454/Pa...Viera-V20.html
Interessante, speriamo possa essere caraterizzato anche da consumi più bassi.
Grazie a tutti per questo post, ero proteso all'acquisto di un C8000 Samsung, poi verificando e studiando tutte le vostre opinioni e recenzioni ho acquistato il Pana VT20, ce l'ho da circa una settimana e sia Io che la mia Playstation 3 ringraziano!!!! Una sola parola Divino!!! Anche senza il 3D attivo le immagini hanno una profondità che non avevo mai visto in una TV, figuriamoci attivando il 3D. Aspetto con anzia l'uscita dei titoli per PS3 in 3D. Ciao a tutti e grazie ancora. PS ancora non ci ho smanettato molto nei settaggi ma se avete richieste domandatemi pure. Ciao.
ha trovato questo a http://avforums.wordpress.com/
3D Picture Quality
Whilst the VT20 is the first review sample we have received that also does 3D playback, we have experienced all the different TVs heading our way this year and their versions of the technology. It won’t be a fair contest in image scrutiny until we have them all up against each other, but we do believe that we have a good enough handle on what to expect to say that the VT20 is probably the best of the bunch.
The reason for this is the new faster phosphors and the lack of an image artefact called crosstalk. This artefact is caused when one of the images show to one particular eye stays on screen or in the glasses just long enough to interfere with the next image. Our 3D Guide video explains this in more detail for those interested in finding out more. On the LCD TVs we have witnessed so far this year this issue has been present in almost all the content viewed and can cause the image to appear blurred. This is down to the response time of the panels and the sync with the glasses on active systems. However, on the Panasonic this is just not an issue at all and the 3D experience is far better for it.
Putting aside the arguments for and against 3D for a second, the actual performance of the VT20 is pretty special. Images appear sharp and well defined with a good sense of colour balance and detail. That is despite the glasses adding in light loss to proceedings. We stayed with the Normal and Dynamic modes for 3D so enough brightness was getting through from the screen without affecting colour balance too much. This is a drawback of 3D viewing and of course while there are no standards, it is a bit of try it and see.
But watching actual content from Sky, Blu-ray and some gaming from the PS3 my 3D skeptic sensibilities were starting to wane after a few days of sampling the technology. It will likely be a different experience for people who are susceptible to flicker issues as the way the glasses and the sequential frames are processed is probably going to be visible to a few. That will be a shame as the experience can be quite enjoyable and gaming is certainly immersive.
I don’t think it will be films that sell 3D technology to the mass market, but rather sporting events and gaming. I am not a gamer at all, but was inquisitive enough to go out and buy the AVATAR game for the PS3 and give it a go. It turned out to be quite an experience and I soon got lost in the depth of the image and gaming experience. This is where this technology is going to be massive! The Sky material is quite limited at the moment but I found the football and Rugby preview clips to be an enjoyable experience that made me want to see more. And the same is true for documentary footage of wildlife and insects where the effects are not of things jumping out at you, but the depth of field on offer. Sadly the only Full 3D HD material I had to hand was Panasonic’s own demo BD which is a mix of different short features and trailers. Some of these did look a little on the gimmicky side and not all of them were full HD, which was a shame with the female beach volley ball sequence.
There were only a few little niggles with the 3D side of things during my stay with the VT20. The first was the glasses as they were heavy and not very comfortable. Plus the sync from the TV to the glasses is prone to break up if like me you have another plasma sitting right next to the VT20. The light interference did break the sync a few times as did having the ‘big light on’ as Peter Kay would say. But other than that I was pleasantly surprised that my 3D sceptic side definitely started to defrost a little after living with it (although content is still restricted). And on all the evidence we have at the moment the VT20 does the whole 3D thing better than anything else we have seen so far, so its our first 3D reference point.
Gaming performance
As I have already mentioned my new found love for gaming in 3D, in normal 2D gaming the VT20 has an almost non-existent Lag time of 10ms in Games mode and every other picture preset. I doubt even the fastest gamers out there would notice any issues with the speed of the VT20 at responding.
Power Consumption
I tested the VT20 over 10 minutes of regular channel 4 viewing looking at the peaks and dips in consumption. Because plasma is a self illuminating technology the power consumption varies with the content shown on screen. High contrast white background material uses more power to create the image over a dark scene that uses less. The highest measured figure was 303 watts and the lowest was 59 watts with normal content. We then move to static consumption figures at 0, 50 and 100ire rasters. In calibrated mode the VT20 measures 60 watts, 210 watts and 390 watts.
Conclusion
In a market of ever reducing pricing and quality, it is refreshing as a reviewer when you get a product through that pushes strongly in the quality image stakes. And that’s what we have here with the VT20 and why I am happy to write reams of text about my experience with this TV. Whilst it falls just short of being a replacement for the Kuro, it is the only TV you can buy now that offers the strengths of our old Reference TV, with its own improvements. There are some issues that do raise their head and which have been covered in great detail in this review. But even with a few minor niggles here and there and I suppose a tiny hint of the unknown black issue, the VT20 is a fantastic achievement for Panasonic and in this reviewers opinion is the best offering in the current TV market for 2D images, with reference 3D images as a bonus.
If you own a Kuro, then unless you want 3D capabilities and give up a little on the black levels, you will probably be wise to wait a while to see where this new line of Panasonic screens go. However, if you don’t yet have a quality screen and are looking for (what we think) is the best out there today, my advice is to go and see one for yourself as it comes highly recommended but the long term black level performance remains unanswered at this stage.
Pros
* Best black levels of any new TV on the market
* Good out of the box performance
* Reference Greyscale and colour reproduction when calibrated
* Lack of PWM noise and clean looking images
* Freeview HD and Freesat HD built-in
* Reference level 3D performance
* No nonsense design and excellent build quality
* Excellent lag times for gamers
* Full ISFccc Calibration controls
* THX Certified
* Two Pairs of 3D Glasses in the box
* Excellent performance with Sky 3D
* Excellent scaling
* Good quality Remote control
Cons
* Uncertainty over long term black level performance
* Some visible banding with certain material
* Calibration menu design gets in the way
* Some light image retention visible
* Some users may see flicker from the image
* 3D Glasses not that comfortable
* Still lacks film cadence detection
* Lack of content on Viera Cast
* Even for an Eco TV it still uses quite a bit more power than LCD rivals
* Extra 3D glasses are expensive
Scores
Contrast ratio/dynamic range
Black level
Colour reproduction out of the box
Colour reproduction calibrated
Greyscale out of box
Greyscale calibrated
ISF or calibration controls available
Video processing SD/HD
3D performance side by side
3D performance sequential
3D performance crosstalk
3D glasses comfort/performance
Sound quality built in
Networking
Features
Ease of use/menus/remote/settings
Value for money
Overall
Our feedback for Panasonic
* We need an official comment regarding the way the 2010 plasma range implements the voltage drive increase as stated by your US statement. That implies that the black level rise due to voltage increase should not be noticeable as the panel ages, unlike the 2009 sets reported on AVForums, AVSForums and Cnet US. A confirmation of this point would help users doubting that the 2010 range will be any different in that regard and that they might see the same issues appearing as last years models.
* Well done with introducing the calibration controls that AVForums asked for. However, as stated in the review the menu system gets in the way of calibration and the CMS provided is not adequate. Please sort the menu issues as a priority as it defeats the point of having them, and please look at a 3D CMS, 20 point Greyscale and Gamma tools for next years range.
* Flicker is still an issue for many users with NeoPDP panels. Although the VT20 does improve with run in, there are many who will still be able to see it even after the set is well run in. Any engineering fix that reduces this issue is bound to help.
* Banding is still an issue with the NeoPDP panel and whilst rare to notice with the vast majority of material, this could be improved.
* The 3D Glasses, whilst adequate for comfort, need to be lighter and easier to wear. The reflections from the open lens approach with light coming into the units, from the sides and rear of the person wearing them, needs to be addressed as not everyone will watch in dark surroundings.
Per chi non l'avesse capito qui " http://avforums.wordpress.com/ " la rece del VT20 che verra pubblicata su AVF ....si becca 5 REFERENCE
Ciao
la cosa era palese......in giro non se ne trovano più, i miei amici stanno impazzendo per trovarlo...Citazione:
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ma scusate, il modello recensito sarebbe il vt20 "americano" oppure il vt20 "uk" aka vt25 americano?
EDIT: scusate, come non detto, ho letto ora il TX del modello. comunque bella recensione.
Ma c'è tutta sta gente con sti soldi?????Citazione:
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La verità è che ne sono arrivati pochi.Citazione:
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Dipende anche dalla passione che si ha per l'A/V, certa gente spende 10.000 euro per una moto...etc....etc....